Sunday, April 18, 2010
On March 14, 2010, The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan discussed the lies surrounding the events on September 11, 2001. This excerpt is from the lecture entitled, “The Time and What Must Be Done; The Great War”. To order this lecture and others, please visit http://store.finalcall.com or call (866) 602-1230.
Text of address by Minister Louis Farrakhan:
I want you to pay attention to this. I said, on November 25th 2009, 9/11 was done by people in our own government, and our own banking system, to perpetuate the fear in the American people, so that they might subordinate themselves so that the government may get them to do whatever they want us to do. And this was to create this endless war on terror. But the war on terror is a cover and a fraud for the real war, which is a war against Islam.
In 2001 we experienced the horrific events of 9/11. But there are many who are saying that the official government version of events is not what really happened. As recently as this month, the Republican candidate in the Texas gubernatorial race, her name is Deborah Medina, said on the Glenn Beck show: "I think some very good questions have been raised. In that regard there are some very good arguments. And I think the American people have not seen all the evidence there." But she quickly backed off from what she said.
But now, listen to this: Why is it -- and these are questions about 9/11, not that I compiled them, they were compiled by people who were scientists who studied this -- why is it that the FBI's most wanted poster of Osama Bin Laden mentions other crimes but not 9/11. Right before 9/11 unusually high levels of "put options" were placed on the stocks of American and United airlines and corporate tenants of the World Trade Center. Put options are market bets that give the bettor a profit if the stock goes down. According to Bloomberg Business News, "This would be one of the most extraordinary coincidences in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence." Many people got rich by the bets that they made that the stock in American and United Airlines would go down. How did they know?
How was the FBI able to release a list and photos of the hijackers within hours? Why have at least five of the nineteen alleged hijackers turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia? And if the perpetrators were from Arabia, why are we fighting in Afghanistan and in Iraq? Well, they say "because Osama Bin Laden was living in Afghanistan." The president of that country, Mullah Omar, when President Bush said that Osama Bin Laden was guilty, and he dictated to Mullah Omar that they should turn over Osama Bin Laden to the United States government and its authorities. And Mullah Omar said to President Bush, "Show me the proof that Osama Bin Laden did this and we will turn him over to you. President Bush with his arrogant self said, "We're not negotiating with you. Turn him over or else."
Now, what is America doing in Afghanistan? Trying to buy off the warlords? Boy, this is a sick people, man! You bomb them and laugh? Now they're kicking your behind, and now you're trying to buy the allegiance of these people? Don't you know with a twenty-five million dollar price on Osama Bin Laden's head why hasn't somebody delivered him? See, to some people money is not the answer!
Listen! How could these alleged hijackers have known that multiple classified air defense drills were planned for the morning of 9/11, leaving only two fighter jets available to protect the entire northeastern United States? How did Osama know that? So then, who planned the drills on that morning, that no fighter jets were there to intercept these planes? Think about it. Why was Attorney General Ashcroft warned to stop using commercial airlines prior to 9/11?
Let's go to the Pentagon. How come the hole in the Pentagon was eighteen feet across but the wingspan of a 757 is 146 feet? Are you listening? How come that little Piper single-engine P8-28 plane that crashed into the IRS office in Texas did more damage to that building than a 757 jetliner filled with fuel did to the Pentagon? How does a pilot that failed his lessons on a one-engine propeller plane pull of manoeuvres that only a highly-trained airline pilot could do -- a 270 degree turn at 500 miles an hour descending seven thousand feet in two-and-a-half minutes into a direct hit? These are just questions!
Why were surveillance videos recording the impact with the Pentagon confiscated by the FBI immediately after the event?
Let's go to Pennsylvania, Flight 93. Do you remember the one that fell into Pennsylvania? There was a big fight onboard and whatnot...you know, look, look, why do you all say in church that the devil is a liar? He's the damndest liar that ever lived!
Question: Why was there no visible airplane debris where Flight 93 supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania? There was only a smoking hole in the ground! No bodies, no seats, no wings, no luggage.
The official story of 9/11 claimed that ten cell phone calls came from Flight 93. But the technology for airplane to ground cell phone calls didn't exist until 2004!
Let's go to the World Trade Center. We're talking about the synagogue of Satan. Six months before the 9/11 attacks, the World Trade Center was purchased by the Silverstein Group. I guess by that name, you might know that Mr. Silverstein might claim to be Jewish. But he bought the World Trade Center for 3.2 billion, even though the building when it was built was built full of asbestos, and it would take darn near that amount of money to destroy the building and clean it. Larry Siverstein took out insurance coverage on the property which fortuitously covered acts of terrorism. The total potential payout is 4.6 billion and Mr. Silverstein has been paid. As the result of a court ruling Silverstein makes a huge profit off of the 9/11 attacks, and if you follow the money, you'll begin to see the Synagogue of Satan at work.
Now, George W. Bush's brother was a director, and his cousin was the C.E.O. of the security firm responsible for the electronic security network of the World Trade Center prior to and during 9/11. At least one security guard at the World Trade Center reported the abrupt removal of explosive sniffing dogs five days prior to 9/11. Isn't that interesting? Let's go on.
No steel-framed building before or since 9/11 has ever collapsed due to fire. The World Trade Center buildings were designed to withstand the impact of airlines because they were at that time the tallest buildings in the world. The melting point of steel is about two thousand seven hundred degrees fahrenheit. The temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1800 degrees fahrenheit. So the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. Why were people seen in the gaps left by the plane impacts if the heat from the fires behind them was so excessive? Why were there two distinct spikes, one for each tower, seen in seismic records before the towers collapsed? How could the World Trade Center towers collapse at free-fall speed, only eleven seconds, World Trade Center One, and nine seconds World Trade Center Two -- speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height with no air resistance? Why did so many people, including the New York Fire Department, report hearing many explosions at street-level prior to the Towers falling? Who were those men on top of a van with a tripod and camera across the Hudson River filming the Towers before the first plane hit? How did they know to be there? And why were they celebrating? The police arrested them and let them go into Israeli custody. Why?
Now Building number 7, a 47-story skyscraper, and part of the World Trade Center complex, was not struck by a plane. But it collapsed in six-and-a-half seconds at 5:20 p.m. on September the 11th in the exact manner of a controlled demolition? Why was U.S. military explosive thermate found in the dust of the World Trade Center? Now you might say, alright, let's see if our government lies, and does things and takes innocent life for other purposes. This is the end of my lecture today.
Did you know that the United States wanted control over Puerto Rico, the Phillipines, and Guam? So President William McKinley lied about an explosion on board the USS Maine anchored in Havana Harbor that killed 260 American servicemen. They said Spain did it, but they offered no evidence. And because of that war, the Spanish-American War, the US gained control over Cuba and the Phillipines, and Puerto Rico...Cuba in particular, so the island could be opened to United Fruit Company and other American corporations.
Did Lyndon Baines Johnson lie to get us into a major war in Vietnam? The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an unprovoked attack against a U.S. destroyer on routine patrol in the Tonkin Gulf on August 2nd, 1964, and that the communists followed up with a deliberate attack two days later. None of this was true. President Lyndon Baines Johnson used the fabricated incident to justify a momentous escalation in the war, ultimately leading to over 56,000 American deaths and millions of Vietnamese casualties.
Now, when John Fitzgerald Kennedy was president, Castro was in power in Cuba, and they wanted to invade Cuba. Did you know that there was a memo from the Pentagon to the president: "We could develop a communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities, and even in Washington. We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay, the U.S. military base in Cuba, and blame Cuba. Casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." Later the Pentagon even suggested attacking Jamaica or Trinidad and Tobago and making it look as if the Cubans were responsible, hoping this might force Britain into a war on Fidel Castro. This is America. They don't care nothing about human life when it stands in the way of a political and economic objective.
And now, brothers and sisters, you know there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But look how many Americans, black, brown, and white, have lost their lives on the basis of a lie.
Tuesday, April 13, 2010
(source: France24, citing Agence France-Presse)
Ahmadinejad urges Ban to probe 9/11 attacks
AFP - Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has written to UN chief Ban Ki-moon, asking him to launch an investigation into the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, news reports said on Monday.
"The minimum expectation from your excellency is to set up an independent and trusted fact-finding group to comprehensively investigate the real factors behind September 11," Ahmadinejad said in the text of the letter carried by official news agencies.
They did not say when the letter was sent.
The hardliner, who in March dismissed 9/11 as a "big lie," said in the letter that the attacks "were the main pretext for attacks" by NATO on Afghanistan and Iraq.
Several times Ahmadinejad has questioned the accepted version of the Al-Qaeda strikes on New York and Washington which killed nearly 3,000 people.
In January, he branded September 11 "a suspicious affair" similar to the Holocaust, which he dismissed as a "myth" in 2005, drawing widespread condemnation.
Ahmadinejad's latest remarks come with Iran locked in a standoff with world powers led by the United States over Tehran's controversial nuclear programme, and risking tougher sanctions over its defiance. (full article here)
Saturday, April 10, 2010
Mohamed el-Amir Awad el-Sayed Atta, father of the real Mohamed Atta (not the imposter in Florida who spoke fluent Hebrew)
(compiled by Gary Kohls)
This material is from 2001-2; but should be reviewed in the light of the identity theft in the Dubai assassination.
(1) Mohamed Atta's father says he's still alive, blames Mossad for 9/11
(2) Mohammed Atta's father: "My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12"
(3) Father says son rang him 24 and 48 hours after 9/11; accuses Mossad
(4) Atta & 2 other "hijackers" reported their passports stolen in late 1999
(5) Mohammad Atta's girlfriend interviewed (video)
(6) Atta's girlfriend: he loved pork chops, was already a licensed pilot, could speak Hebrew, had been in "some kind of militia"
(6) Hijackers' last letter, found in baggage, shows ignorance of Islam - Robert Fisk
(1) Mohamed Atta's father says he's still alive, blames Mossad for 9/11
Atta's father, Mohamed el-Amir Awad el-Sayed Atta, a retired lawyer in Egypt rejected allegations his son was involved in the September 11 attacks and instead accuses Mossad of having a hand in framing his son. Atta Sr. rejected media reports his son was drinking wildly, and instead described his son as a quiet boy uninvolved in politics, shy and devoted to studying architecture. The elder Mr. Atta also claims to have spoken with Mohamed by phone two days after the air crashes of the September 11th. He held interviews with the German news magazine Bild am Sonntag in late 2002 claiming his son is alive, and in hiding. Critics [which critics?] have suggested Mr. Atta fabricated his claims of speaking with his son after September 11, 2001 and saying his son is alive, in denial of his son's role in the 9/11 attacks.[Reference does not support statement]
28.^ a b Lappin, Elena (2002-08-29). "Portrait: Atta in Hamburg" . Prospect. Retrieved 2008-09-16.
90.^ Connolly, Kate (2002-09-02). "Father insists alleged leader of attack on WTC is still alive" . The Guardian. Retrieved 2008-09-16. ...
This page was last modified on 26 March 2010 at 17:16.
(2) Mohammed Atta's father: "My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12"
Father insists alleged leader is still alive
Kate Connolly in Berlin
The Guardian, Monday 2 September 2002 01.28 BST
The father of Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the September 11 attacks, said in an interview published yesterday that his son was still alive.
"He is hiding in a secret place so as not to be murdered by the US secret services," Mohammed el-Amir Atta, 66, told the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag. He also vehemently denied that his son - believed to have flown the first plane into the World Trade Centre - had taken part in the atrocities, blaming them instead on "American Christians".
The interview painted a picture of a tortured man who has not come to terms with his 33-year-old son's death or with the huge crime laid at his door. He said he feared the US would try to poison him.
Speaking from his Cairo home, Mr Atta described hearing about the attacks after returning from a holiday on the Red Sea on the evening of September 12. "My daughter called and said she was going to drop in. She stood at the door and said 'turn on the TV'," he said. Amid images of the jets crashing into the Twin Towers, he saw his son's passport photograph.
"As I saw the picture of my son," he said, "I knew that he hadn't done it. My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12 at around midday. We spoke for two minutes about this and that.
"He didn't tell me where he was calling from. At that time neither of us knew anything about the attacks."
Mr Atta said he did not condone the attacks, but could understand the hijackers' motivation. "Every day our Palestinian brothers are being murdered, their houses destroyed. If their relatives were to fly a plane into the Empire State Building I couldn't hold it against them," he added.
Mr Atta called his son a "gentle and tender boy", who enjoyed reading history and geography books and was nicknamed "Bolbol", or nightingale, by his parents.
(3) Father says son rang him 24 and 48 hours after 9/11; accuses Mossad
Atta in Hamburg
Prospect Magazine 20th September 2002 — Issue 78
He is a man with a grudge. In interviews with foreign journalists - to whom he serves alcohol-free beer - he rants about America, without answering or listening to questions. He accuses the Mossad of being responsible for 11th September, and of framing his son, from whom he claims to have received a phone call, "checking in,” 24 and 48 hours after the attacks. ==
Father's interview with Cairo Times: "Mossad and Israel are who benefits"
Muhammad Atta Sr is in the center of the media storm
Volume 5, Issue 29
27 SEPTEMBER - 3 OCTOBER 2001
The journalistic frenzy touched off by the 11 September attacks on America has produced no more maudlin a figure than Muhammad Al Amir Atta. The semi-retired lawyer, whose son Muhammad Atta is accused by US authorities of piloting the first hijacked plane into the World Trade Center, has spent the past 10 days in the center of a media maelstrom. A seemingly endless stream of foreign journalists, some of whom flew in just for the interview, have beat a path to Atta's home just off of Pyramids Road.
What they have found, for the most part, is an angry, grieving man who defends his son as a gentle soul and speaks of a set-up by the Israel intelligence services to turn global public opinion against the Muslim world.
"Mossad and Israel are who benefits the most from this.... They want to try to hang this on the Arab world," Atta told the Cairo Times in a 19 September interview. "When America learns that Mossad did it, they won't be able to say anything."
Interviews with the elder Atta have been chaotic affairs-spiced with red-faced rants against American foreign policy and the conspiracy of which he says his son is an innocent victim. ...
A 24 September press conference, organized by the local Foreign Press Association, was equally raucous-with so many media representatives crowding into a Shepherd Hotel ballroom that one cameraman pronounced the affair "a moulid for journalists."
The younger Atta, who graduated from Cairo University with a degree in architecture, hasn't lived in Egypt since 1993. He spent most of the past decade studying urban planning in Hamburg, Germany, where colleagues described him as decent, quietly religious and soft-spoken to the point of shyness.
The father said his son was raised to be solidly apolitical and to focus on "work, home and family." He also said Muhammad had expressed his distaste for Bin Laden after the mid-90s bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Pakistan. "That was the only political opinion he ever expressed to me in his life."
The elder Atta said he had last seen his son about 18 months ago in Egypt. He had never been to visit him in Germany, and knew little of his life there. He also claimed that his son had called him two days after the attack, and described it as "a normal conversation." But he snarled when asked to give further details. Asked what country Muhammad had called from, he said, "The name of the country isn't written on the phone."
Asked where Muhammad was now, he said, "Ask Mossad." ...
Atta maintained that the evidence against the accused hijackers including an Arabic flight manual in a car in the Logan airport parking lot and his son's United Arab Emirates passport, had been faked and planted in order to create a rush to judgement against the Muslim world.
"They found a flight manual in the car," he said. "Is he going to be studying on the way?"
(4) Atta & 2 other jihackers reported their passports stolen in late 1999
Mohamed Atta: Terrorist, Patsy, or Scapegoat?
[Atta and Alomari] spent their last night pursuing ordinary activities: making ATM withdrawals, eating pizza, and shopping at a convenience store. [9/11 Commission Report]
"Most college kids order pizza all the time," Ponemon said. "But most people pay cash for pizza. These guys paid with a credit card. That was an odd thing." [SignOnSanDiego]
The above were not the actions of a terrorist ringleader determined to achieve a goal which was years in the planning, they were the actions of someone determined to leave a trail of evidence. ...
(Mohamed) Atta and (Abdulaziz) Alomari boarded a 6:00 a.m. flight from Portland to Boston's Logan International Airport. [SFGate]
A Mitsubishi sedan [Atta] rented was found at Boston's Logan Airport. Arabic language materials were found in the car. [CNN]
How did Atta leave a rental car at Logan Airport in Boston when he supposedly flew there from Portland, Maine?
The official story:
[Atta] rented a car at Logan Airport Alamo and drove to Maine [on September 10]. Then flew down from Portland, Maine, early Tuesday before connecting on Flight 11. [Boston.com]
Why would Atta leave a rental car containing incriminating evidence at Logan Airport, rent another car in Boston to drive to Maine, then fly back to Boston again?
Even the 9/11 Commission couldn't explain this conundrum...
Atta picked up Omari at another hotel [on September 10], and the two drove to Portland, Maine, for reasons that remain unknown. [9/11 Commission Report]
...and they didn't look for answers.
The Bukharis provide a key to the enigma:
[Adnan and Ameer Bukhari's] names had been tied to a car found at an airport in Portland, Maine. [CNN]
The two rented a car, a silver-blue Nissan Altima, from an Alamo car rental at Boston's Logan Airport and drove to an airport in Portland, Maine, where they got on US Airways Flight 5930 at 6 a.m. Tuesday headed back to Boston, the sources said.
Before CNN learned the identities of the two brothers, Portland Police Chief Mike Chitwood said, "I can tell you those two individuals did get on a plane and fly to Boston early yesterday morning ... I can tell you that they are the focus of a federal investigation." [People's Daily 9/13/2001]
[Adnan Bukhari's] name reportedly appears on the American Airlines Flight Eleven manifest. [First Coast News]
A trail of evidence led investigators into Tuesday's terrorist attacks from one abandoned rental car in Portland, Maine, to two houses in Vero Beach, Florida. One of the Vero Beach houses had been rented by two brothers from Saudi Arabia. Inside it were two pilot's certificates in the names of Adnan Bukhari and his brother, Ameer Abbas Bukhari. [BBC News]
Early accounts stated it was Adnan and Ameer Bukhari who rented the car from Logan Airport Alamo and abandoned it at Portland, not Mohamed Atta. The Bukharis "did get on a plane and fly to Boston", Adnan Bukhari's name reportedly appeared on Flight 11's manifest, and a trail of evidence led investigators to Adnan Bukhari's house.
Within hours of the attacks it was nearly "case closed" that the Bukharis were hijackers of Flight 11, but a couple of simple facts proved their innocence - Ameer Bukhari died in a plane crash in 2000 and Adnan Bukhari is alive.
9/13/2001 CNN retraction concerning the Bukharis - 1MB asf video download
How did so much evidence initially point to the Bukharis, and how did Adnan Bukhari's name reportedly appear on Flight 11's manifest?
The words "fabricated evidence" spring to mind.
The Bukharis innocence caused a major rethink of Flight 11's hijackers, and this rethink resulted in the implausible scenario of Atta abandoning two rental cars in two airports.
[Mohamed Atta] spoke excellent German - good enough to correct other students' texts - as well as fluent English and Arabic. [FT.com]
Atta and two other suspected hijackers reported their passports stolen in late 1999. [BBC News]
[Rudi Dekkers, owner of Huffman Aviation] knew that Atta had lived in Hamburg, Germany and one day [in 2000] spoke to him in German as a way of friendly communication. Atta was stunned and quickly walked away. [house.gov]
An imposter could pretend to be Atta, but he couldn't pretend to speak German.
[Atta senior] had no knowledge his son had ever been in the United States. More absurd to him was the idea that his son had enrolled in a Florida flight school. "Did he ever learn to fly? Never. He never even had a kite.” Added Atta senior: "My daughter, who is a doctor, used to get him medicine before every journey, to make combat the cramps and the vomiting he feels every time he gets on the plane.” [MSNBC]
On the first day of the 9/11 Commission hearings, commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste opened his remarks with sharp criticism of the current White House and the delays in processing the commissioners' security clearances. Ben-Veniste, who first came to prominence as a Watergate special prosecutor from 1973 to 1975, was counsel for the Democratic minority on the Senate Whitewater committee. Today he is a major attorney with a top firm in D.C.
Al Qaeda's lead 9/11 hijacker, Mohamed Atta, was allegedly partying with CIA-connected pilots while he got his flight training in fall/winter 2000 at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Fla., where two of the other 9/11 hijacker pilots trained. Atta wasn't acting much like a holy martyr: He wore jeans and sneakers, played video games, bought himself a red Pontiac and was said to be a hedonist. The Press posed the question to Ben-Veniste: If Atta belonged to the fundamentalist Muslim group, why was he snorting cocaine and frequenting strip bars?
"You know," said Ben-Veniste, as he smiled a little. "That's a heck of a question." [9/11 CitizenWatch]
Below is supposedly the will of a hedonist who snorted cocaine and frequented strip bars:
Mohamed Atta's will: Page 1 - Page 2
Atta's original will was written in Arabic and has not been released by the FBI. This is an English version translated by the FBI and first reported in Der Spiegel.
Records from ... [Huffman Aviation] were deemed sensitive enough to have merited being escorted back to Washington by Florida Governor Jeb Bush aboard a C-130 cargo plane, which left Sarasota less than 24 hours after the September 11 attack. [Scoop]
How did Jeb Bush know where to lookhours after the attacks?
Mohamed Atta: terrorist, patsy, or scapegoat?
Pentagon officials said Thursday they have found three more people who recall an intelligence chart that identified Sept. 11 mastermind Mohamed Atta as a terrorist one year before the attacks on New York and Washington. But they have been unable to find the chart or other evidence that it existed. [Yahoo News 9/2/2005]
A Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta as a terrorist two years before the 2001 attacks, a congressman said Thursday. The employee is prepared to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee and was expected to identify the person who ordered him to destroy the large volume of documents, said Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa. Weldon declined to identify the employee, citing confidentiality matters. Weldon described the documents as "2.5 terabytes" as much as one-fourth of all the printed materials in the Library of Congress, he added. [ABC News 9/15/2005]
Translation: Atta was a protected asset, not a terrorist.
(5) Mohammad Atta's girlfriend interviewed (video)
(6) Mohamed Atta loved pork chops, and 49 other things you may not know
(7) Hijackers' last letter, found in baggage, shows ignorance of Islam - Robert Fisk
What Muslim Would Write: 'The Time of Fun and Waste is Gone'?
by Robert Fisk
Published on September 29, 2001 in the Independent/UK
Fearful, chilling, grotesque– but also very, very odd. If the handwritten, five-page document which the FBI says it found in the baggage of Mohamed Atta, the suicide bomber from Egypt, is genuine, then the men who murdered more than 7,000 innocent people believed in a very exclusive version of Islam – or were surprisingly unfamiliar with their religion.
"The time of Fun and waste is gone," Atta, or one of his associates, is reported to have written in the note. "Be optimistic ... Check all your items – your bag, your clothes, your knives, your will, your IDs, your passport ... In the morning, try to pray the morning prayer with an open heart."
Part theological, part mission statement, the document – extracts from which were published in The Washington Post yesterday – raises more questions than it answers.
Under the heading of "Last Night" – presumably the night of 10 September – the writer tells his fellow hijackers to "remind yourself that in this night you will face many challenges. But you have to face them and understand it 100 per cent ... Obey God, his messenger, and don't fight among yourself [sic] where [sic] you become weak ... Everybody hates death, fears death ..."
The document begins with the words: "In the name of God, the most merciful, the most compassionate ... In the name of God, of myself, and of my family."
The problem is that no Muslim – however ill-taught – would include his family in such a prayer. Indeed, he would mention the Prophet Mohamed immediately after he mentioned God in the first line. Lebanese and Palestinian suicide bombers have never been known to refer to "the time of fun and waste" – because a true Muslim would not have "wasted" his time and would regard pleasure as a reward of the after-life.
And what Muslim would urge his fellow believers to recite the morning prayer – and then go on to quote from it? A devout Muslim would not need to be reminded of his duty to say the first of the five prayers of the day – and would certainly not need to be reminded of the text. It is as if a Christian, urging his followers to recite the Lord's Prayer, felt it necessary to read the whole prayer in case they didn't remember it. ...